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    Default A Changing Tide?

    I don't know if its who I'm reading/interacting with of late or if there really is a swing, but I get a sense that some of the sensibility is coming back to the hunting world- a change I'm in favor of.

    As part of that, I found an older essay, written in 1996, that captures some of that essence. The author, Ted Kerasote, wrote one of my favorite books, Bloodties.

    I think it's worth a read: https://www.kerasote.com/essays/Rest...rKnowledge.pdf
    Not all those who wander are lost. -Tolkien

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    I agree with this 100%

    Second, de-emphasize the recordbook and the pursuit of trophies forthe trophy’s sake. This is not to saythat animals will no longer be admiredand that taxidermists need be put outof business. Rather, we would stopvaluing animals by so many inches ofhorn or antler. I would also suggestthat if records must be kept as a wayof honoring animals, only animals arelisted, not hunters. In addition, huntersmight initiate a completely new formof record keeping, one that honoredthe greatest amount of wildlife habitatconserved.
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    I'd like to think there's a swing but I think you're right, it's who we choose to interact with. I do a little MZ hunting in N.H. and belong to a N.H. Facebook group. My goodness, the further south in N.H. you go the worse it seems to get. Stolen trail cams and tree stands, no respect for other hunters, etc, etc. I know that happens here in Vt. as well but certainly not on the scale as elsewhere. Just about everyone hunting in Vt. now has been thru a Hunter Safety Course, that may have helped a little, and with fewer deer than back 20-30 years ago, many of our "problems" are now hunting elsewhere and to call them hunters is probably incorrect. If you're right, lets hope it continues.

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    As long as there's money and mans ego involved, it ain't ever coming back. I've reached a point where I just don't give a damn any longer either.

    I was reading some archived threads in here from when I first joined this forum in 2010. I realized I'm going on 9 years of pissing, moaning, arguing , pissing off members, being pissed off by members, being wrong, being right and so one...... All for what? What a waste of 9 friggin years. (Well.....other then some really good reading of hunting reports. I have to admit there's a half dozen members reports I truly enjoy.)

    I've volunteered to be on fish and game club boards, attended hearings, taken time away from my family to attend wildlife federation board meetings, raised money for clubs, helped with fishing derbies, chaired deer and turkey pools for our local club, sent in money to organizations, but at the end of the day, it hasn't changed a damn thing, and was a massive waste of time.

    We will eat our own, and not care until it's too late. We have members on this board that see non landowners that dare walk on another persons land as a piece of shit although they are fellow hunters. Accusing them of being "entitled" or hinting at them being lazy, "not willing to make the sacrifices that it takes to buy your own piece of land". And those are the people that are suppose to be on our side??!!! I've personally had people accuse me of being anti firearm, or an anti hunter because I don't fall in march step with the text book "all or nothing" or my favorite " give them an inch they'll take a mile".

    I have no more energy or desire to give a rats ass about the inch or the mile any longer. I avoid conversation with other hunters now. I literally just left a poker game where a player next to me asked " how'd your season go?". I told him I missed a big buck, had a great time, but ate tag soup. No story, no details, just wanted to change the subject, but wanted to be polite so I asked him "you?" Where I was then engaged in listening to a 10 minute story about a "clown" who "messed the entire area up walking around, and he and his neighbor will both be posting their combined 210 acres and planting food plots." Great...... card dead, and having to listen to that...... talk about torture for me. The difference between now and 9 years ago? Back then I would have been pissed that acres were being taken away from hunters, that it may cause the loss of another hunter or a dad not taking a kid. Now I selfishly am just pissed I have to listen to that conversation for god only knows how many times now. And the bitch of it..... the guy is a super nice guy.

    It is what it is, it's never coming back..... shit maybe it was never here. I don't know........ but my days of engaging in debate or defending management practices, fish and game depts for their work, where or how money should be spent, antler restrictions, doe days, posting, leasing, scorable inches, food plots, baiting, feeding, or any other form or talk about hunting is over. I'm going dark on the entire content, and just doing me.
    Last edited by NH Hunter; 12-26-2018 at 09:42 PM.
    "The rich who are content to buy what they have not the skill to get by their own exertions, these are the real enemies of the game" Theodore Roosevelt's the principals of the hunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NH Hunter View Post
    I was then engaged in listening to a 10 minute story about a "clown" who "messed the entire area up walking around, and he and his neighbor will both be posting their combined 210 acres and planting food plots." Great...... card dead, and having to listen to that...... talk about torture for me.

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    Did he know it was you?

    Your good deeds and work has not gone unnoticed, I am sure. Keep up the fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longbow View Post
    Did he know it was you?

    Your good deeds and work has not gone unnoticed, I am sure. Keep up the fight.
    Nah.... wasn't me.

    I'm not even kidding. I'm done, don't give a shit. I could keep fighting the anti hunters, but truthfully..... most of the fighting or defending has been against/with our own. I'll buy my licenses, that's where my support starts and ends. Terms like "friends family and the outdoors", "you're in hunting country", "The brotherhood" is only a catchy phrase that was to pull at peoples good will so they would pull their wallets out.
    Last edited by NH Hunter; 12-26-2018 at 09:42 PM.
    "The rich who are content to buy what they have not the skill to get by their own exertions, these are the real enemies of the game" Theodore Roosevelt's the principals of the hunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NH Hunter View Post
    As long as there's money and mans ego involved, it ain't ever coming back. I've reached a point where I just don't give a damn any longer either.

    I was reading some archived threads in here from when I first joined this forum in 2010. I realized I'm going on 9 years of pissing, moaning, arguing , pissing off members, being pissed off by members, being wrong, being right and so one...... All for what? What a waste of 9 friggin years. (Well.....other then some really good reading of hunting reports. I have to admit there's a half dozen members reports I truly enjoy.)

    I've volunteered to be on fish and game club boards, attended hearings, taken time away from my family to attend wildlife federation board meetings, raised money for clubs, helped with fishing derbies, chaired deer and turkey pools for our local club, sent in money to organizations, but at the end of the day, it hasn't changed a damn thing, and was a massive waste of time.

    We will eat our own, and not care until it's too late. We have members on this board that see non landowners that dare walk on another persons land as a piece of shit although they are fellow hunters. Accusing them of being "entitled" or hinting at them being lazy, "not willing to make the sacrifices that it takes to buy your own piece of land". And those are the people that are suppose to be on our side??!!! I've personally had people accuse me of being anti firearm, or an anti hunter because I don't fall in march step with the text book "all or nothing" or my favorite " give them an inch they'll take a mile".

    I have no more energy or desire to give a rats ass about the inch or the mile any longer. I avoid conversation with other hunters now. I literally just left a poker game where a player next to me asked " how'd your season go?". I told him I missed a big buck, had a great time, but ate tag soup. No story, no details, just wanted to change the subject, but wanted to be polite so I asked him "you?" Where I was then engaged in listening to a 10 minute story about a "clown" who "messed the entire area up walking around, and he and his neighbor will both be posting their combined 210 acres and planting food plots." Great...... card dead, and having to listen to that...... talk about torture for me. The difference between now and 9 years ago? Back then I would have been pissed that acres were being taken away from hunters, that it may cause the loss of another hunter or a dad not taking a kid. Now I selfishly am just pissed I have to listen to that conversation for god only knows how many times now. And the bitch of it..... the guy is a super nice guy.

    It is what it is, it's never coming back..... shit maybe it was never here. I don't know........ but my days of engaging in debate or defending management practices, fish and game depts for their work, where or how money should be spent, antler restrictions, doe days, posting, leasing, scorable inches, food plots, baiting, feeding, or any other form or talk about hunting is over. I'm going dark on the entire content, and just doing me.
    I’d take a strong swig of the nights drink and let it go in one ear and out the other. ...it happens...
    Leave my rifle, my fishing pole, my traps, and leave me be.

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    I got to agree. Now a days some hunters are into a competition to see who get the most tags filled and not doing it for the right reason. Posting your kill on Facebook is not what it's about. There are some great hunters on this site and we would do well to understand their love of the sport. Read their seasons experience with family and friends and take it for what it is. (Thanks to all of you who have and continue to share) It's not a race to see who gets the first or most or biggest. Fill your tag for the satisfaction that you did the hard work and collected a deer or several for the consumption by your family or whoever you should choose. Whether it sports large antlers or weighs 200 pounds does not matter in the end. I congratulate the hunter that can be modest when having a discussion on how their season went. It's not about one upping your fellow hunters to have bragging rights. In my opinion its about doing the best you can to satisfy your desire to fulfill your need to be a successful deer hunter and to pass that desire onto your young ones. I have.....to my son and daughter and now I will do the best I can with my grandchildren.

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    You guys really want to blow a gasket, watch some of the archery specific shows from the midwest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDK View Post
    You guys really want to blow a gasket, watch some of the archery specific shows from the midwest.
    True Story! I can't watch any hunting show nowadays without blowing a gasket!
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